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Hi, all. First issue with the Q3 which I've found to be a really great car so far these first three months. When I try to close the power tailgate using the button on the key fob, I get, at most, about an inch of downward travel before hearing a small beep and it stops. Pressing again causes no motion and a longer tone to play. It's almost acting like it's hitting something and auto-stopping or something. The button on the tailgate works just fine, though. I've never encountered anything quite like this before - any thoughts?
 

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Are you holding the button down? You need to keep it held and the beeping will continue as the tailgate closes - sounding like a back-up beeping until fully closed...
 

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Hmm, will give that a shot and report back, Roger.
 

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It doesn't make any sense to me either, you can press the trunk lid button and it'll close slowly and you can walk away so cannot be a safety issue, but you have to press and hold the key fob button until the hatch is closed, and you have to be close to the vehicle as well.

I was hoping some enterprising bright spark might find a way through VCDS to change the fob protocol.
 

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Notwithstanding that the tailgate control button on my driver's side door came lose and was subsequently reinstalled improperly by my dealer (it now only opens the tailgate and can't close it as the button can now only move in one direction), I never knew you could close it with the key fob. It certainly doesn't close when I hold it and I think I tried to do it even before the driver's side swith came loose.

I have a Candian progressive model with the power hatch option. Am I supposed to be able to close the hatch from the key fob?
 

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It doesn't make any sense to me either, you can press the trunk lid button and it'll close slowly and you can walk away so cannot be a safety issue, but you have to press and hold the key fob button until the hatch is closed, and you have to be close to the vehicle as well.

I was hoping some enterprising bright spark might find a way through VCDS to change the fob protocol.
I'm actually surprised that there aren't any companies out there in the business of changing these functions through reprogramming. Niche market but would be valuable for situations like this.
 

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... I have a Candian progressive model with the power hatch option. Am I supposed to be able to close the hatch from the key fob?
Not sure, I did several comfort convenience fob remote mods in VCDS, will check and report back ...
 

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It doesn't make any sense to me either, you can press the trunk lid button and it'll close slowly and you can walk away so cannot be a safety issue, but you have to press and hold the key fob button until the hatch is closed, and you have to be close to the vehicle as well.

I was hoping some enterprising bright spark might find a way through VCDS to change the fob protocol.
I think Audi's logic here is, if you are close enough to the lid to use the button, YOU are at least aware that you've closed it. Whereas YOU could be standing under the lid, and I could close it from the remote up to about 30 feet away, and YOU would NOT necessarily be aware until it bonked YOU on the noggin...hence the beeping. And IF something like that were to occur, at least the person holding the remote would have to KEEP holding the button to continue trying the close. I think there still is a load sensing switch that will STOP the closing if it encounters enough resistance - but an unaware bonk, could still be quite surprising to someone under the lid who did not initiate the action.
 

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I think Audi's logic here is, if you are close enough to the lid to use the button, YOU are at least aware that you've closed it. Whereas YOU could be standing under the lid, and I could close it from the remote up to about 30 feet away, and YOU would NOT necessarily be aware until it bonked YOU on the noggin...hence the beeping. And IF something like that were to occur, at least the person holding the remote would have to KEEP holding the button to continue trying the close. I think there still is a load sensing switch that will STOP the closing if it encounters enough resistance - but an unaware bonk, could still be quite surprising to someone under the lid who did not initiate the action.

But the point is you can only "start" the closing procedure with the fob if you are in very close range of the hatch, no difference than pushing the hatch closure button, but the difference is if you press the button you can just walk away and it still closes, but with the button if you walk out of range it stops, or if you stop pressing the button......

Yes there is a closure obstruction safety stop, and its very sensitive too......my MB ML had a remote hatch closure and you could use either method to close it, it would close but just keep beeping as it did so.

As you say "Audi Logic"............is there any? :D
 

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Well, I really like my non power hatch release.

I can release it from the driver's seat if need be, easily open from the rear and to close it's just a gentle push with a tiny touch of spirit. Almost as easy as the trunk of an Audi sedan.
 

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Well, I really like my non power hatch release.

I can release it from the driver's seat if need be, easily open from the rear and to close it's just a gentle push with a tiny touch of spirit. Almost as easy as the trunk of an Audi sedan.
Indeed it is not a hard hatch to operate manually compared with many, unfortunately if you need a powered hatch there are better designs (operationally).
 

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Confirmed: behavior is exactly this. That said, my arms are pretty long and I'm basically standing close enough to the car to almost reach the button on the tailgate by the time the fob is close enough, so I'm not sure why you'd ever want to close it with the key given this set up. *shrugs*

Are you holding the button down? You need to keep it held and the beeping will continue as the tailgate closes - sounding like a back-up beeping until fully closed...
 

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Confirmed: behavior is exactly this. That said, my arms are pretty long and I'm basically standing close enough to the car to almost reach the button on the tailgate by the time the fob is close enough, so I'm not sure why you'd ever want to close it with the key given this set up. *shrugs*
Because in this life some people are afflicted with illness that could preclude them from enough mobility to enable use of the hatch button.

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I can get about 6-7 feet from the hatch - directly behind - and it works. But if I move past the rear bumper towards the front, it just clicks... Since my wife is kinda short (5-3), it might make better sense for her to use the fob, even though she can stretch to reach the button. Perhaps I should try to fit the A8 under-bumper proximity sensor (ala Ford) to supplement the opening/closing >:D

Also my door switch does NOT close the hatch, no matter what direction I push/pull it - and it only really moves ONE way, not 2 as was else suggested by the person whose switch fell apart...
 

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My door switch opens and closes the hatch. Just hace to hold it.
 

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My door switch opens and closes the hatch. Just hace to hold it.
Not mine - even after 30 seconds, door open, door closed, key in hand, no key - no closing from door switch. Can you send or post a scan - would like to see your coding ... Maybe my comfort settings undid that -
 

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Just find out the car must be on for it to work. My door switch can only be pull, not push, and it must be hold until the hatch is close.



Here is the scan:



Tuesday,14,April,2015,21:07:15:52933

VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator

VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0 (x64)

Data version: 20150311

www.Ross-Tech.com





VIN: License Plate:

Mileage: 7430km-4616mi Repair Order:







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Chassis Type: FS (8U0)

Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 10 15 16 17 19 22 25 2B 3C 42 44 46 47 52

53 55 56 5F 62 6C 6D 72



VIN: Mileage: 7430km-4616miles



01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000

02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

2B-Steer. Col. Lock -- Status: OK 0000

3C-Lane Change -- Status: OK 0000

42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000

47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000

52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000

53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000

55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000

62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000

6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000

6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 01: Engine (CCT) Labels: 06J-906-026-CCT.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 907 115 J HW: 8U0 907 115 J

Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 06 0004

Revision: PAH04--- Serial number:

Coding: 0123010A190F01A0

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 3E5DD66669B970D15C3-806B



No fault code found.

Readiness: 0000 0000



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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb

Part No SW: 09G 927 750 NL HW: 09G 927 750 NL

Component: AQ 250 6F 2696

Revision: 00H97000 Serial number:

Coding: 0000840

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 083170BE7BFDFE6126F-805D



No fault code found.



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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 5N0-614-109-C6.clb

Part No SW: 5N0 614 109 BA HW: 5N0 614 109 BA

Component: J104 C6 450M VDCF 0160

Revision: --H07--- Serial number: 00000008457562

Coding: 0022446

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 6BFB2F324A4B3579ABD-803E



No fault code found.



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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J518) Labels: 5K0-959-434.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 959 434 E HW: 5K0 959 434

Component: VWKESSYPQ35GP 092 1202

Revision: 00092000 Serial number: 0347596297

Coding: 030C0C

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_KESSYPQ35G A02717

ROD: EV_KESSYPQ35G_AU21.rod

VCID: 3753C3428E8341999F5-8062



No fault code found.



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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8P0-820-043.lbl

Part No SW: 8U0 820 043 E HW: 8U0 820 043 E

Component: E87 Klimavoll 0100

Revision: 00H04000 Serial number: 8U0820043E

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

VCID: 334BF75252FBADB9A3D-8066



No fault code found.



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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8X0-907-063.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 907 063 S HW: 8X0 907 063 S

Component: BCM PQ35 M 113 0811

Revision: AD113811

Coding: EF000A2FA80336C4241843C021040DCD51FF6AAA016F91BBE4080684E0C5

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00099

VCID: 4CB98CAEEF05D241C27-8019



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U1 955 119 HW: 8U1 955 119

Component: WWS316 140903 H37 0090

Coding: 0047F7



Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B HW: 8U0 955 559 B

Component: G397_RLFS H06 0002

Coding: 02006E



Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C

Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501



No fault code found.



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Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446) Labels: 8X0-919-475.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 919 475 N HW: 4H0 919 475 AG

Component: PARKHILFE 8K H01 0050

Revision: 11001001 Serial number: 61061427901651

Coding: A8C104

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_EPHVA18AU21X0000 003006

ROD: EV_EPHVA18AU21X0000.rod

VCID: 51879DDA0027FFA9B11-8004



No fault code found.



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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 8X0-959-655.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 959 655 A HW: 8U0 959 655 A

Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H52 0723

Serial number: 003LQD11576/

Coding: 303632313231413130304A55304C38553053

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00118

ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316 002001

ROD: EV_AirbaAU10SMEAU316.rod

VCID: 45AFB98AC46F23091D9-8010



Seat occupied recognition:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 339 HW: 8U0 959 339

Component: BF-Gewichtss. H01 0020

Serial number: 5810000R140000A4LL



Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side:

Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V

Serial number: 3574MSME1C132A49ZZZ.



Crash sensor for side airbag; front passenger side:

Component: S.Sens.Beif.V

Serial number: 3584MSME4D0F3D49ZZZE



Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; driver side:

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A

Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H H02 ----

Serial number: 3516KSME54431F32ZZZQ



Crash sensor for side airbag; rear; passenger side:

Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A

Component: S.Sens.Beif.H H02 ----

Serial number: 3526KSME0E721032ZZZJ



Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side:

Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 651 HW: 8U0 959 651

Component: F.Sens.Fahr H02 ----

Serial number: 3555USME56701931ZZZY



Crash sensor for front airbag; front passenger side:

Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 651 HW: 8U0 959 651

Component: F.Sens.Beif H02 ----

Serial number: 3565USME255A1931ZZZ$



No fault code found.



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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8X0-953-569.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 953 501 H HW: 5K0 953 569 AP

Component: LENKS.MODUL 016 0140

Revision: FF010018 Serial number: 20141006201446

Coding: 1114204000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004

ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod

VCID: 3FA3AB62A6B379D9575-806A



Multi Function Steering Wheel Control Module:

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 951 528 H HW: 8U0 951 528 H

Component: E221 - MFL H08 0010



No fault code found.



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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 8X0-920-xxx-17.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 920 970 HW: 8U0 920 970

Component: KOMBI_COLOUR H05 0350

Serial number: 00000000000000

Coding: 22CF01

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04399

ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod

VCID: 78D1007EC31D8EE156F-802D



No fault code found.



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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8X0-907-468.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 907 468 AG HW: 8U0 907 468 L

Component: GAT 5CAN 2L M H13 0074

Revision: 1U190041 Serial number: 4141U149250858

Coding: F3C60A5A050B05610253

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 07337382B6E3F1192F5-8052



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 591 HW: 8V3 959 591

Component: J245 PS11.018 H02 0007

Coding: 901E00



Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1K0 915 181 H HW: 1K0 915 181 A

Component: J367-BDM H07 0180



Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8U0 959 591 HW: 8V3 959 591

Component: J394 PS11.018 H02 0007

Coding: 801E00



No fault code found.



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Address 22: AWD (J492) Labels: 0CQ-907-554.clb

Part No SW: 0AY 907 554 J HW: 0AY 907 554 J

Component: Haldex4Motion H52 7522

Serial number: HA1-00005.09.14

Coding: 0001

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X 002001

ROD: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X_AU21.rod

VCID: 528592D6052184B188B-8007



No fault code found.



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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 920 970 HW: 8U0 920 970

Component: IMMO H05 0350

Serial number:

Coding: 000007

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10 A04113

ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_AU10.rod

VCID: 78D1007EC31D8EE156F-802D



No fault code found.



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Address 2B: Steer. Col. Lock (J764) Labels: 5K0-905-861.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 905 861 C HW: 5K0 905 861 C

Component: ELV-PQ35 H21 0240

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 14000262853004

Coding: 4900000000000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X A01001

ROD: EV_ELVMarquMPVW36X.rod

VCID: 3041F85E6BED96A1DEF-8065



No fault code found.



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Address 3C: Lane Change (J769) Labels: 5Q0-907-566.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 907 566 E HW: 4H0 907 566 F

Component: SWA Master H01 0040

Serial number: 0348169188

Coding: 010211

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_LaneChangAssis 001028

ROD: EV_LaneChangAssis.rod

VCID: 43ABA792CA5B1D3933D-8016



Lane Change Assistant 2:



No fault code found.



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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 8X0-959-793.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 959 793 H HW: 8X0 959 793 H

Component: TSG FA H11 0415

Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------

Coding: 011E13205C00000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 528592D60D2184B188B-8007



No fault code found.



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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 5N1-909-144.clb

Part No SW: 5N1 909 144 R HW: 5N1 909 148 J

Component: J500__APA-BS KL.377 1401

Revision: 1BH04841 Serial number: 00142470048301

Coding: 0000258

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 41A7AD9A18470F29211-8014



No fault code found.



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Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: Redir Fail!

Part No SW: 8X0 035 223 D HW: 8X0 035 223 B

Component: BOSE-G3-A1Q3 H05 0160

Revision: CK005201 Serial number: 00000000021460

Coding: 030000

Shop #: WSC 34406 001 1048576

VCID: 334BF75292FBADB9A3D-8066



No fault code found.



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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 8X0-959-792.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 959 792 H HW: 8X0 959 792 H

Component: TSG BF H11 0415

Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------

Coding: 011E13205E00000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 51879DDA0827FFA9B11-8004



No fault code found.



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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 3AA-907-801.clb

Part No SW: 3AA 907 801 J HW: 3AA 907 801 J

Component: J540 EPB4 VW-63206 0012

Revision: H19 Serial number: 00000000291904

Coding: 0025156

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 3851C07E4B9D4EE196F-806D



No fault code found.



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Address 55: Headlight Range (J431) Labels: 8X0-907-357.clb

Part No SW: 8X0 907 357 C HW: 8X0 907 357 B

Component: ****LWR12**** H02 0020

Serial number: 141003-0002-002

Coding: 1657A4101002A400

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00150

ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulBasic 005001

ROD: EV_HeadlRegulBasic.rod

VCID: 42A5A296D541143138B-8017



No fault code found.



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Address 56: Radio (R) Labels: Redir Fail!

Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G HW: 4G0 035 082

Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0133

Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 156I90E8069378

Coding: 020007010000000002

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 2469040E27153A012A7-8071



No fault code found.



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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 035 746 A HW: 8U0 035 746

Component: H-BNT-NA H40 0810

Revision: -------- Serial number: 447J10E7505561

Coding: 0E020006000AE0EB1500032600000001140000000000000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 3753C342868341999F5-8062



Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 CA

Component: NAR 2014 1002



Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 919 604 A HW: 8U0 919 604 A

Component: DU High AU316 H42 0018



Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 G

Component: CD-Database 5950



No fault code found.



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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels: None

Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C HW: 8X0 959 795 C

Component: TSG HL H08 0415

Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------

Coding: 010E13200000000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 4F839BA21E13E959A75-801A



No fault code found.



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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 4H0-907-441.clb

Part No SW: 8U0 907 441 HW: 8U0 907 441

Component: SG Rueckfahrkamera 0031

Revision: --H09--- Serial number: 525 PA8J49H07E

Coding: 1080015

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 76CD0E460109F891443-8023



No fault code found.



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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (----) Labels: Redir Fail!

Part No SW: 8U0 959 107 HW: 8U0 959 107

Component: HDSG-Modul H01 0549

Revision: 15001001 Serial number: 269401230

Coding: 183307C122

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

ASAM Dataset: EV_HDSGAU316 001001

ROD: EV_HDSGAU316.rod

VCID: 7CD91C6EF725A2C1327-8029



No fault code found.



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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels: None

Part No SW: 8X0 959 795 C HW: 8X0 959 795 C

Component: TSG HR H08 0415

Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------

Coding: 010E13200000000000

Shop #: WSC 00049 770 00159

VCID: 4F839BA21E13E959A75-801A



No fault code found.



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I can get about 6-7 feet from the hatch - directly behind - and it works. But if I move past the rear bumper towards the front, it just clicks... Since my wife is kinda short (5-3), it might make better sense for her to use the fob, even though she can stretch to reach the button. Perhaps I should try to fit the A8 under-bumper proximity sensor (ala Ford) to supplement the opening/closing >:D

Also my door switch does NOT close the hatch, no matter what direction I push/pull it - and it only really moves ONE way, not 2 as was else suggested by the person whose switch fell apart...
Your wife might like to make use of the routine to limit how high the hatch opens. She could set it to a comfortable reach height.
 

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Your wife might like to make use of the routine to limit how high the hatch opens. She could set it to a comfortable reach height.
We did do that to get it where she can reach it ...
 
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